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Why do Celica owners BS power outputs?

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On social media, its almost daily thing at present. Boast that your T sport has 220bhp on a exhaust and filter, that your 3sge in your 20 year old ST202 makes 200bhp with no external mods at all. Its appears to afflict mostly 6 & 7 owners and those that run NA.

 

Why do people do it? Its just cloud cuckoo land, Us Celica guys end up looking stupid by association, and when you do try to help them, you get all manner of dross thrown back.

 

Its daft..

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It has always been thus, the difference is that older cars were easier to get gains because they were much less optimised. People still remember the gains on minis and escorts and think they can still happen.

 

One of the keys to the con is to reduce power output at lower revs (usually a significant loss if gains are to be made higher up) so when the slight increase in top end power comes in it feels much bigger. The downside of this with everyday driving is you need to keep stirring the gearstick on every slight hill. Vtek kicked in yo.

 

 

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It’s 220bhp no proof but feels like it cos it pulls like a train :lol:

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Its the uninformed trying to fool the rest of the uninformed.

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Well, my st202 has 250 ish lol

 

FB is weird, some interesting stuff and cars around the world which is pretty cool but dramarama much ! 
 

Prob because everything has so much power these days can’t believe they aren’t quicker ! Better looking mind 

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50 minutes ago, digs said:

Well, my st202 has 250 ish lol

 

FB is weird, some interesting stuff and cars around the world which is pretty cool but dramarama much ! 
 

Prob because everything has so much power these days can’t believe they aren’t quicker ! Better looking mind 

I agree Matey, I think they love the drama and attention. I think I will just drop out of Social Media for a bit. I was just hanging on with C-19, but all this recent nonsense about Celicas and stupid owners just has tipped me over the edge.

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I've found this trash talk in the lower end of the car scene in general but I've never found this with Celica owners, they seem to be more humble

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21 hours ago, alex282 said:

I've found this trash talk in the lower end of the car scene in general but I've never found this with Celica owners, they seem to be more humble

 

That's because 2zz Gen7 owners already have Toyota BS'ing power figures :D

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1 hour ago, ESTHAR_CITY said:

Only one 7 I know where it has legit 231bhp N/A and that belongs to DTracer. 

 

Funny old world ain't it. 

Think its the only Gen full stop with those figures currently on 4 pot N/A ,on here anyway.(at the moment).

Getting genuine worthwhile power gains from N/A cars is time consuming and usually expensive ,even more so with Celicas,3sge or otherwise.First port of call is usually improving power to weight as most of us know.

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12 hours ago, Sherv said:

Think its the only Gen full stop with those figures currently on 4 pot N/A ,on here anyway.(at the moment).

Getting genuine worthwhile power gains from N/A cars is time consuming and usually expensive ,even more so with Celicas,3sge or otherwise.First port of call is usually improving power to weight as most of us know.

The Celica is particularly difficult to get gains because the original was done by Yamaha who are masters of inlet & exhaust tuning. Most changes actually reduce (usable) power.

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12 hours ago, _Chris_ said:

The Celica is particularly difficult to get gains because the original was done by Yamaha who are masters of inlet & exhaust tuning. Most changes actually reduce (usable) power.

Still does not stop the online warriors talking up 220bhp from cams, ecu and an exhaust! 

The issue also appears to be that some people are selling dreams off big bolt on power, when its all bogus.

Hate seeing people ripped off

 

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Some people dont understand that they have been on a generous dyno and actually believe the figures. 


Its just numbers unless you have a before and after on the same dyno to show you have made real gains or you have several cars on the same dyno to compare.

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You answered your own question Rich with your first 3 words...…...On Social Media :lol:

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There has always been pub talk etc, but maybe Facebook etc just means its easier for people to spot the bragging idiots

 

Rich

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What you talking about you fools? My 205 in standard trim now puts out 310bhp with new plugs, oil and air filter. And the new radiator added at least 5bhp!    :drunk:

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Cant think who you are all talking about

 

Or can I?

 

If you are going to boast or just pass on information as to  how you gained extra power you really need to keep the proof and I dont know why they havent.  Make your own mind up.

If you dont see proof be sceptical as to the information provided. 

There are always going to be people who dont believe your power figures that's partly why you need to keep printouts.  No arguement then.

I have every print out for every tune I've had. More so I can see how things have improved with interim mods but also for the non believers.

I do my best to help anyone out as do many people on here but I will only give advice on what I'm confident to give advice on. Id rather say I'm not sure than give bad advice.

I didn't  enjoy the fb post tbh and tried to get it closed.

It started to get a little nasty imo

Instead of all the arguing and name calling people should have just had a little laugh to themselves.

I must be getting old as a few years ago I'd have done the same. 

Not sure this post really gets over what I'm trying to say. All I can say is I've done my best

 

 

 

 

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Thankfully, I glanced at some of the celica pages on FB and decided they were a waste of space. I have no idea what post you're on about.

 

Facebook is not a good medium for useful information as it gets lost in no time. For me, it's a bit of fun. Sharing silly pictures and jokes and a bit of banter among friends.

 

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On 05/05/2020 at 22:59, Bumblebee said:

I didn't  enjoy the fb post tbh and tried to get it closed.

It started to get a little nasty imo

Instead of all the arguing and name calling people should have just had a little laugh to themselves.

 

I was thinking the same mate

 

There are dyno's out there, that are intentionally generous because it does bring in the young lads,

 

we used to see some of them on here years ago making 150 on a vvti with an exhaust and K+N

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I'm not on Facebook but you guys have made this all seem like an interesting thing to read when I'm next on the throne. Anybody got a link to share? Or do I need an Facebook account?

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