CheltGirl Posted 12 July 2021 Report Posted 12 July 2021 I just been checking out Toyota GB Blog and they have some info on this: " This change will not affect Toyota owners with a diesel-powered vehicle. Which Toyota models can use E10 petrol? If your Toyota has a petrol engine or hybrid powertrain and was officially produced for European markets since January 1998, it will be compatible with E10 petrol. The only exceptions to this rule are the following vehicles: Toyota Avensis with 2.0-litre 1AZ-FSE engine made between July 2000 and October 2008. Toyota Avensis with 2.4-litre 2AZ-FSE engine made between June 2003 and October 2008. If your vehicle was produced before January 1998, it cannot use E10 fuel. Can you use E10 petrol in imported cars? If your car is an imported model that was not official sold in European markets, we recommend staying on E5 by using super unleaded, which has a higher octane rating. Having received queries from owners regarding specific imported models, we are investigating this further. "
Fuppylodders Posted 12 July 2021 Report Posted 12 July 2021 3 hours ago, CheltGirl said: I just been checking out Toyota GB Blog and they have some info on this: " This change will not affect Toyota owners with a diesel-powered vehicle. Which Toyota models can use E10 petrol? If your Toyota has a petrol engine or hybrid powertrain and was officially produced for European markets since January 1998, it will be compatible with E10 petrol. The only exceptions to this rule are the following vehicles: Toyota Avensis with 2.0-litre 1AZ-FSE engine made between July 2000 and October 2008. Toyota Avensis with 2.4-litre 2AZ-FSE engine made between June 2003 and October 2008. If your vehicle was produced before January 1998, it cannot use E10 fuel. Can you use E10 petrol in imported cars? If your car is an imported model that was not official sold in European markets, we recommend staying on E5 by using super unleaded, which has a higher octane rating. Having received queries from owners regarding specific imported models, we are investigating this further. " I'd be concerned if it did affect people with diesel Toyotas But what I don't understand is, why does it affect 97 and before, but not 98 onwards? What was changed in 98 year celicas over 97 and before? Was there some legislation that made them use different materials or something? It sounds almost like they're just giving a blanket statement year just to be safe and keep it simple... Could be my ignorance though...
_Chris_ Posted 13 July 2021 Report Posted 13 July 2021 1 hour ago, Fuppylodders said: I'd be concerned if it did affect people with diesel Toyotas But what I don't understand is, why does it affect 97 and before, but not 98 onwards? What was changed in 98 year celicas over 97 and before? Was there some legislation that made them use different materials or something? It sounds almost like they're just giving a blanket statement year just to be safe and keep it simple... Could be my ignorance though... I'd hazzard a guess that coping with E10 was made a legal requirement in Europe in 98, therefore a blanket statement. 2
Uncle Bob Posted 13 July 2021 Report Posted 13 July 2021 Spotted this on YouTube …could work if smaller quantities of fuel are required for classic motorbikes or even lawnmowers/ chainsaws etc but would be rather time consuming for a classic car .
slybunda Posted 13 July 2021 Author Report Posted 13 July 2021 Removing ethanol from fuel will lower its octane rating. Dunno if its a issue for lawn mowers?
Askari Posted 13 July 2021 Report Posted 13 July 2021 Extract from the Esso website - I have been using their Esso Supreme 99 recently and my car certainly seems to like it. Ethanol free, except in some areas. Although our pumps have E5 labels on them, our Synergy Supreme+ 99 is actually ethanol free (except, due to technical supply reasons, in Devon, Cornwall, North Wales, North England and Scotland). Legislation requires us to place these E5 labels on pumps that dispense unleaded petrol with ‘up to 5% ethanol’, including those that contain no ethanol, which is why we display them on our Synergy Supreme+ 99 pumps. 2
slybunda Posted 15 July 2021 Author Report Posted 15 July 2021 That esso fuel is silly high price here. I just stick with momentum99. Shame ecu is encrypted and cant be mapped to make better use of high octane. 2zz would probably put out the full 190 then lol.
Askari Posted 15 July 2021 Report Posted 15 July 2021 2 hours ago, slybunda said: That esso fuel is silly high price here. I just stick with momentum99. Shame ecu is encrypted and cant be mapped to make better use of high octane. 2zz would probably put out the full 190 then lol. The beams EXU in mine is mapped for 100RON Japanese fuel.
Fuppylodders Posted 23 July 2021 Report Posted 23 July 2021 Just realised today it's also on the sainsbury's pumps too 1
Dorris Posted 22 August 2021 Report Posted 22 August 2021 I've just run my first full tank on the new E10 fuel in the CS. I ran it right down then put £20 in just in case i needed to drain it down and had no problems with it, so when that ran down I went for a full tank. Not only has it not had any running issues but if anything it feels better. Like Chris says, some of us have been running 5% ethanol for 30 years plus so if ethanol is going to cause any degradation it would of done it by now, though I suspect those cars on the incompatible list may have specific component effected by ethanol and would more then likely increase the speed of deterioration with the 5% extra. Also if a manufacture puts a blanket time limit on its vehicles then they wont be open to legal action if something goes wrong, you only have to look at the diesel emission fiasco, if there is chance of free money people will jump at it. In time it will be interesting to compare mpg, but right now after my first tank I've not noticed any difference. Dorris
EasyRight89 Posted 26 August 2021 Report Posted 26 August 2021 (edited) Safest bet is to stick with premium then, probably what most of us are running anyway. I'm just hoping they leave that alone, even if the price jumps a bit as a result. Maybe an old wives' tale, but isn't Momentum artificially pushed to 99 RON by using bioethanol anyway? Probably safer to stick with BP/Shell premiums, but I get that can be a pain. I do get a bit bored of having to drive 20 mins away when there is a petrol station in the village XD On 15/07/2021 at 20:17, Askari said: The beams EXU in mine is mapped for 100RON Japanese fuel. Had that issue with my old 185 and it only ran properly on V Power... CS is a UK model, so should be ok, though with a stand alone I'll set it for 97 RON. Edited 26 August 2021 by EasyRight89
Monkey Boy 1 Posted 1 September 2021 Report Posted 1 September 2021 Interesting, I asked this question on one of the Gen 6 FB pages about how the Mainland Europe owners cope with E10 fuel. So far ALL of them have said no issues. The plot thickens. 1
99GT Posted 2 September 2021 Report Posted 2 September 2021 11 hours ago, Monkey Boy 1 said: Interesting, I asked this question on one of the Gen 6 FB pages about how the Mainland Europe owners cope with E10 fuel. So far ALL of them have said no issues. The plot thickens. I think any effects won't be seen for some time in any case. Best to play safe in meantime I think
digs Posted 2 September 2021 Report Posted 2 September 2021 I am using e10 in my 98 rav4 with 3sfe engine - really no different engine to the celica or car to be honest, although rust will prob get that one before the e10 has any noticable impact!
dublet Posted 2 September 2021 Report Posted 2 September 2021 Classic Car world has some nice pointers: https://classicsworld.co.uk/guides/e10-fuel-a-classic-owners-guide/ Key snippet: Quote In addition to running issues caused by the mixture-leaning effect of E10, information issued by the Federation of British Historic Vehicle Clubs (FBHVC) explains that the increased acidity, conductivity and inorganic chloride content of ethanol in E10 can cause corrosion and tarnishing of metal components. But while this can be controlled effectively by corrosion inhibitor additives, the same cannot yet be said for its compatibility with elastomers such as seals, flexible pipes and other unsuitable gasket materials. New E10 fuel provides a greater threat to rubber fuel hoses. Ethanol molecules are smaller and more polar than conventional petrol components, meaning there is a lower energy barrier for them to diffuse into elastomer materials. These materials will swell and soften, weakening the elastomer structure, and on drying out they can shrink and crack resulting in fuel leaks. As yet, the FBHVC is not aware of, or has tested, any additives that claim complete fuel system protection with respect to elastomer and gasket materials when E10 is used. While there hasn’t been an endemic of failures in other territories where E10 is already established, the FHBVC sensibly recommends that such materials are replaced with ethanol compatible materials before using E10. The good news there is that uprated parts are available. For example, Burlen Fuel Systems has worked with knowledgeable suppliers over the last 15 years to introduce upgraded rubber with Viton content for parts like carb needle valve tips, diaphragms and jet seals, along with cellular foam carb floats and upgraded needle material. It also buys all its fuel hose from Goodrich as it knows it has been properly tested. 2
_Chris_ Posted 3 September 2021 Report Posted 3 September 2021 Seems the petrol companies are profiteering for the 'just in case' mentality. £1-50 for V-power today in my local Shell. Normal unleaded was £1-33 Thieves.
Xanadu Posted 3 September 2021 Report Posted 3 September 2021 41 minutes ago, _Chris_ said: £1-50 for V-power today... What was it priced at previously?
_Chris_ Posted 3 September 2021 Report Posted 3 September 2021 I've never seen a 17p price difference before when I've looked. I don't normally buy it so I can't say exactly.
Sherv Posted 4 September 2021 Report Posted 4 September 2021 (edited) I run my JDM engined Gen4 and JDM 2005 Honda Euro-R on Vpower, it was 147 about 3 weeks ago at one of the couple of Shells i use near me, was 151 I think last week... Luckily i work locally,the Honda is my daily but a commute in either isn't needed. Edited 4 September 2021 by Sherv
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