N-Seven Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 Just watched this video on the Car Throttle YouTube channel. Thought it would be of some interest 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akuma77 Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 nice find mate , i found this the other day between the two : 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonSam50 Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 Not sure why he's used a 140 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasyRight89 Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 1 hour ago, JonSam50 said: Not sure why he's used a 140 THIS^ Not sure why anyone would buy a 140 now when a 190 is about the same price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_7 Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 If you were listening to the intro the car belongs to a production crew member so it was a case of using what was at hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeman558 Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 Also, the Video was aimed at someone in their late teens and, I suspect, the insurance on the 190/T-Sport/GT isn't much different to that of the GT86, in other words, way outside of most teen's budgets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal670 Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 A Gen 7 T-Sport was £200 more quoted on insurance for me for a year than an SW20 MR2, despite being 1 insurance group lower, and FWD and less likely to spin on corners. It says on the Greenlight page that they won't insure new drivers on a 190 full stop aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev 16v Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 2 hours ago, EasyRight89 said: THIS^ Not sure why anyone would buy a 140 now when a 190 is about the same price. Most drivers like a top gear for cruising on dual carriageway/motorway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasyRight89 Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 Just now, Kev 16v said: Most drivers like a top gear for cruising on dual carriageway/motorway. Is there anything that can be done to change the final drive on a 190 box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev 16v Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 You can just fit a 140 box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthias Sammer Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 They should have reviewed the VVTLi though. Still, another good review though he keeps referring to it being a "young" driver's car now. Guess, aged 33, I need to upgrade mine! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akuma77 Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 4 hours ago, Matthias Sammer said: They should have reviewed the VVTLi though. Still, another good review though he keeps referring to it being a "young" driver's car now. Guess, aged 33, I need to upgrade mine! well they did say that the 190 is faster than the 86 lol:) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazz54 Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 Well; I think the 7 looks better the 7's hatch is just soooo wonderful does the 86 feel *significantly* more powerful? at these 'modest' power levels, is RWD something you want/need? If so, why? depreciation on a 7 is negligible now. No contest; I'm keeping my 7! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ESTHAR_CITY Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Bazz I couldn't of put it better 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasyRight89 Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 I always feel a bit sorry for the 86, gets so much grief and seems people have COMPLETELY missed the point as to what it's about. It's a nod back to the old 86 from the 80s, low power but amazing balance/handing and super fun to drive. The handling is on another level to the Gen 7. Not really sure why people bring speed to the equation either, both cars are slow (stock). No one buys a Celica/86 for speed, so many cheaper/same price options with vastly more power and "speed". It's all about the character, nothing beats our cars for that! Obviously at current prices you get a lot more car for your money with the 7... but in 15/20 years I'm not sure which will stick in the memory more. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Cat Lady Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 11 hours ago, EasyRight89 said: I always feel a bit sorry for the 86, gets so much grief and seems people have COMPLETELY missed the point as to what it's about. It's a nod back to the old 86 from the 80s, low power but amazing balance/handing and super fun to drive. The handling is on another level to the Gen 7. The 86 refers to the 86mm bore, and 86mm stroke of the Subaru's horizontally opposed boxer engine design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazz54 Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 I take your point about being a nod back the past; the popularity of the MX5 and of vintage sports cars is evidence of that appeal and I do not 'dislike' the 86. But as a practical everyday car which still retains some driving pleasure, the G7's handling is well above average and, if the 86's is better, that alone doesn't tip the balance for me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasyRight89 Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 21 minutes ago, Crazy Cat Lady said: The 86 refers to the 86mm bore, and 86mm stroke of the Subaru's horizontally opposed boxer engine design. "The development code of this vehicle is 086A[4] and its main production names 86 (pronounced "eight-six" or Hachi-Roku (ハチロク) in Japanese, but more commonly pronounced as "eighty-six") or GT86, reference historic Toyota front-engined and rear-wheel drive sports coupés and hatchbacks, in the form of: the 1967 2000GT (Japan's seminal fastback coupé whose design cues adorn the 86 and which was also powered by a 2.0-litre engine); and the 1983 to 1987 AE86 range (renowned for its handling and drifting abilities). Toyota also referenced to its first sports car, the Sports 800, given that both this car and the 86 share a boxer engine layout,[5] as widely used by project partner and 86 manufacturer, Subaru." Good old Wikipedia! Whether it can be trusted is another thing. I didn't know it was also related to the engine layout. 21 minutes ago, bazz54 said: I take your point about being a nod back the past; the popularity of the MX5 and of vintage sports cars is evidence of that appeal and I do not 'dislike' the 86. But as a practical everyday car which still retains some driving pleasure, the G7's handling is well above average and, if the 86's is better, that alone doesn't tip the balance for me. Totally fair, if I had £26k I would certainly not be happy to spend that on a GT86. Though to spend £4k on a G7 GT and then keep the remaining £22k... much happier! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazz54 Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) I've just been checking out the GT86's sales record. Launched in 2012, worldwide sales peaked in 2013 and then went sharply downwards. If you search Google, there are quite a few articles speculating over its future. When it first came out I was surprised that they had stayed with the same idea of the high-revving engine with little low-end torque as per G7. Recall Tiff Nedell driving one around the TT course on IoM for "5th Gear". Both G7 and GT86 needed better (bigger?) engines. I'd guess that if the GT86 went out of production, used car prices would tumble quickly, as per usual and GT86 ownership might soon be more easily attainable...if you want one! Edited March 14, 2017 by bazz54 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ESTHAR_CITY Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 Merged topics as your both on about the same video Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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