VVTI Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 I am in the process of buying my very first set of brand new alloys ever. Should be getting them by the end of next week My question is the company I am getting them from send all the fittings as well. I asked them what type the nuts are - steel or alloy, and the replied alloy as steel ones would damage the wheel. Is this correct, or are they fobbing me off with cheapo ones. I don't want to damage my new wheels, but steel nuts will be much stronger and less prone of rounding. I am getting some Bolas if that makes any difference. What do you recommend? Thank's in advance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akuma77 Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 (edited) rich i would recommend looking up steel wheel nuts from either of these two websites as they say the ebay ones are crap and i looked around on the net and found some great reviews on the below you will need external not internal as aparently they break ) and also steel locking wheel nuts : http://www.driftworks.com/gt50-steel-wheel-nuts-with-key-5-colours-available.html http://www.driftworks.com/spline-drive-steel-wheel-nuts-with-key-6-colours-available.html http://www.driftworks.com/steel-locking-wheel-nuts-m12-1-25-1-5-pitch.html http://nuts4wheels.com/collections/wheel-nuts/products/m12x1-25-titan-17mm-hex-wheel-nuts?variant=1133425417 http://nuts4wheels.com/collections/locking-wheel-nuts/products/m12x1-5-titan-closed-locking-nuts?variant=1135900969 trouble is you would want a good set of locking wheel nuts otherwise you would be crying if you saw your wheels were missing , some say mcgaurd do best locking wheel nuts .. Edited March 30, 2016 by celica1977 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaungt4 Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Personal choice but i would go for steel / Alloy ones tend to crack and have had bad reviews . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKINY Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Nuts4wheels. Co.uk alloy nuts are crap and should be banned as they crack real handy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovelock Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 DO NOT GET ALLOY NUTS. They twist snap without them being over tightened let alone if someone gives them too much on a breaker bar. Example A: Im currently in the process of drilling this out. Not fun. As for steel damaging the wheels...? Are they make out of butter or what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akuma77 Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 yep rich , take this into account : http://www.celica-club.co.uk/forum/index.php?/topic/177297-suggestions-on-removing-this-snapped-wheel-nut/ DO NOT GET ALLOY NUTS. They twist snap without them being over tightened let alone if someone gives them too much on a breaker bar. Example A: Im currently in the process of drilling this out. Not fun. As for steel damaging the wheels...? Are they make out of butter or what. were they tuner nuts you had ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev 16v Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 I have bought many sets of new rims over the last few years, and have never had alloy nuts supplied with them. They have all had this type of steel nut with the relevant spigot rings. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Set-of-16-M12-x-1-5-19mm-Hex-alloy-wheel-nuts-lugs-bolts-for-Ford-Cars-/151810327025?hash=item235899c1f1:g:rDMAAOSw~bFWGsn6 That is, of course, unless your new rims have small lug holes, and need the smaller "tuner" nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovelock Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 yep rich , take this into account : http://www.celica-club.co.uk/forum/index.php?/topic/177297-suggestions-on-removing-this-snapped-wheel-nut/ were they tuner nuts you had ? Yep tuner nuts... Now have a nice set of tappered 'tuner' nuts from nuts4wheels but in steel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VVTI Posted March 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Had a look on another alloy web site (Demon Tweeks) as I was trying to find out what size nuts I needed and if they are flat end or tapered like my stock ones, and they are also saying Wheel nuts/bolts Going from running steel wheels to a set of alloys? You’re going to need new wheel bolts/nuts then (depending on what your car has fitted)! The type of fixings you use on steel wheels are not suitable for use with alloy wheels – because they’re much harder. This means that they can eventually chew through the bit of the alloy responsible for holding them to your hubs! Didn't think wheel nuts are so complicated. I think I need M12x1.5 ? but I haven't found the lug diameter of the bolas yet. I think I will have to wait until they turn up. shame I can't use my stock ones they lasted 16 years and still perfect condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovelock Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 (edited) Another picture Edited March 30, 2016 by lovelock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akuma77 Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Another picture finally it come off then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev 16v Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Had a look on another alloy web site (Demon Tweeks) as I was trying to find out what size nuts I needed and if they are flat end or tapered like my stock ones, and they are also saying Wheel nuts/bolts Going from running steel wheels to a set of alloys? You’re going to need new wheel bolts/nuts then (depending on what your car has fitted)! The type of fixings you use on steel wheels are not suitable for use with alloy wheels – because they’re much harder. This means that they can eventually chew through the bit of the alloy responsible for holding them to your hubs! Didn't think wheel nuts are so complicated. I think I need M12x1.5 ? but I haven't found the lug diameter of the bolas yet. I think I will have to wait until they turn up. shame I can't use my stock ones they lasted 16 years and still perfect condition. Yes..it's M12 x 1.5, as per my link 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akuma77 Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 (edited) Had a look on another alloy web site (Demon Tweeks) as I was trying to find out what size nuts I needed and if they are flat end or tapered like my stock ones, and they are also saying Wheel nuts/bolts Going from running steel wheels to a set of alloys? You’re going to need new wheel bolts/nuts then (depending on what your car has fitted)! The type of fixings you use on steel wheels are not suitable for use with alloy wheels – because they’re much harder. This means that they can eventually chew through the bit of the alloy responsible for holding them to your hubs! Didn't think wheel nuts are so complicated. I think I need M12x1.5 ? but I haven't found the lug diameter of the bolas yet. I think I will have to wait until they turn up. shame I can't use my stock ones they lasted 16 years and still perfect condition. yeah i wouldnt worry about that rich as you have alloys with the steel flat end ones on your stock ones and the new alloys will defo be a tapered nut ... have you worked out what you will be doing for the 4 locking wheel nuts ? , i know your car is garaged but for the rice your paying i would defo get some good steel ones Edited March 30, 2016 by celica1977 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VVTI Posted March 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 yeah i wouldnt worry about that rich as you have alloys with the steel flat end ones on your stock ones and the new alloys will defo be a tapered nut ... have you worked out what you will be doing for the 4 locking wheel nuts ? , i know your car is garaged but for the rice your paying i would defo get some good steel ones I am getting everything supplied all in one hit anyway alloy wheel nuts and locking nuts already it's not a panic. It is just is it worth changing it all to steel ones, as the general consensus on here is yes. I will wait to see what is supplied and order some suitable new steel ones, the alloy ones should last a few weeks without snapping i hope? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev 16v Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 IF the nuts with the rims do turn out to be alloy rather than steel, just go steady when tightening them up, and check they're still tight after 100 miles or so. As you say, best to wait and see what arrives 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovelock Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 finally it come off then Thats the part that snapped off initially! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akuma77 Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Thats the part that snapped off initially! yep so there you go , this should stop anybody thinking of adding alloy wheel nuts , i defo wont be even if they supply them with the wheels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorris Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 I concur Alloy wheel nuts should be banned! After 30+ years in the trade I've never seen a set last and plenty fail, along with alloy bango bolts too! Its totally fine to use steel wheel nuts with alloy wheels as long as they are the correct size and shape, add a smear of copper grease to the thread and torque to 103MN 76lb ft and you will be fine. Dorris 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
99GT Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Lightweight alloy fasteners of any kind are a nightmare. Round off easy as anything and corrode really fast. I change some oem to stainless steel depending what they are but that's all. Avoid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VVTI Posted March 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 After all your helpful comments on this I have decided to get these ones. Not very flash but hopefully will do the job Thanks again Rich 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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