elseautos Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Not sure if this has already been posted, but just to let you all know the ministry has added aload of new items for your car to fail on, that previously would've been an advisory or not mentioned at all! ANYTHING obstructing or altering beam pattern from your headlights, ie tinting, eyebrow spoilers, etc.... Coloured bulbs ANY suspension component dust cover, such as ball joints, innner c.v boots, etc split (whether there's play or not) ALOT stricter on condition of seatbelts and fuel lines Towbar electrics are now part of the mot as are the mounting points for the towbar bracket There's a few other minor bits but thats all i can remeber for now! Hope this helps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherv Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Oh goody,all the things the owner of a 24 year old car loves to hear,thanks Ministry of Transport,you're great people doing a great job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briano Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 all of the above should have been a major part of the test for years as should clutch function Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elseautos Posted January 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Gotta agree with both of you! There's still some VERY dangerous items which aren't an issue, like propshaft ujs and such! It will still depend on the mot tester tho! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherv Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 It will still depend on the mot tester tho! I know,so its not all bad LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briano Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 I still love the rule if its not there you cant be failed on it my car gets tested with no back seats or belts, no spare wheel, fog lights removed, I even have a set of wheels just for MOT time with brand new crap tyres I have also binned my ABS bulb personally though if the MOT tester told me i needed a new seatbelt i would be phoning toyota safety items dont come from breakers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elseautos Posted January 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Haha, the best one has gotta be....... If ur windscreen wipers are knackered...... take out ur windscreen!!!!! They can't fail it!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ams Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 my car gets tested with no back seats or belts, no spare wheel, fog lights removed, I even have a set of wheels just for MOT time with brand new crap tyres I have also binned my ABS bulb spare wheel and front fogs lights are not part of the test ABS to be tested properly - the bulb should come on with ignition, illuminate for a number of seconds and then turn off - depends on if your tester spots that you have an ABS pump though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenMMellor Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 so no definitive section of rules on retro fitted HIDS then ? My PIAA sidelights have a slight blue tint when they shine through the projector lens, but take them out the housing and the MOT tester I use agrees that they are a pure white light... will be interesting to see how strict he has to be come the next MOT on the Gen6. I still need to look at getting new webbing on one of the RA28 seatbelts as there is a 1.5cm cut in one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nix Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 so no definitive section of rules on retro fitted HIDS then ? My PIAA sidelights have a slight blue tint when they shine through the projector lens, but take them out the housing and the MOT tester I use agrees that they are a pure white light... will be interesting to see how strict he has to be come the next MOT on the Gen6. I still need to look at getting new webbing on one of the RA28 seatbelts as there is a 1.5cm cut in one of them. The rules on HID's as far as I am aware. Is that they are legal if your car has got headlight washer jets. If you retro fit them onto a UK facelift gen6 for example, then that is fine as they came with the headlight washer system, so they can't fail it. But if you fit it to say a gen7 that has no headlight washers then it can be an MOT fail depending on if your MOT guy knows every single rule or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyRacer Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 so no definitive section of rules on retro fitted HIDS then ? My PIAA sidelights have a slight blue tint when they shine through the projector lens, but take them out the housing and the MOT tester I use agrees that they are a pure white light... will be interesting to see how strict he has to be come the next MOT on the Gen6. I still need to look at getting new webbing on one of the RA28 seatbelts as there is a 1.5cm cut in one of them. My silvered winkers are the same and tester pointed this out. Look blue though the lens, pure orange when on. original ones are in my glove box so got away with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princy Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 Thought the suspension component dust covers had always been a failure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elseautos Posted January 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 Not all of them. Balljoints could have completely knackered dust covers, but if there isn't any play then it;s fine. Not anymore.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTsillycar Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 It's all just another way for the suits to remove all old cars and replace with cardboard boxes to be driven by people with no souls who incidently wear suits. BORING! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briano Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 It's all just another way for the suits to remove all old cars and replace with cardboard boxes to be driven by people with no souls who incidently wear suits. BORING! oi I wear a suit and im far from boring, I honestly think our MOT should be more like japan and servicing your car shoudl be compulsary unlike the 4 year old boxes on the road that arent serviced because the owner knows they will jsut be punting it for another new horrid box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razorjack Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 HIDs don't require anything (washers or levellers) for MOT - its another of those 'if its there, it must work; if not, don't fail it' items. Not sure where the comment about eyebrows came from? They'd only fail if they severely restricted the light output, which has always been the case. Trailer sockets are only tested for security (i.e. not hanging off ) and only the 13-pin one is tested for functionality. Car wiring as a whole is checked too now, as is battery security. So make sure your battery is secure and wiring isn't (visibly) dangling around loose! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyRacer Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 HIDs don't require anything (washers or levellers) for MOT - its another of those 'if its there, it must work; if not, don't fail it' items. Not sure where the comment about eyebrows came from? They'd only fail if they severely restricted the light output, which has always been the case. Trailer sockets are only tested for security (i.e. not hanging off ) and only the 13-pin one is tested for functionality. Car wiring as a whole is checked too now, as is battery security. So make sure your battery is secure and wiring isn't (visibly) dangling around loose! A bit more for thought. The presence and operation of these headlamp cleaning and levelling devices has been added to the test. Therefore, if a mandatory headlamp levelling or cleaning device is missing, inoperative or otherwise obviously defective, the vehicle will fail. This raises the question of whether these checks apply to vehicles fitted with after-market HID lighting kits., in order to pass the MOT test, vehicles fitted with The testing directive says the devices have to be fitted and working, and the inspection manual states how to test if they are fitted. The testing directive (which determines the pass/fail elements of the MOT) is what will be followed. In regard to the new headlight regulations "headlight washers must be present and working when tested on any HID or LED headlight which produces over 2000 lumens". Also "most of these systems generally require a self levelling device". Some self levellers will (when the headlights are first illuminated) move up and down to set themselves in the correct position, others will not. The only way to test the systems which don't move upon initial illumination, to see if they are working, would be to jack up the front or back of the car, disturbing the balance of the car, cause the activation of the self levellers. As this is not practical, and therefore not testable, it has been decreed that "if the tester is not sure if the system is not working the benefit of the doubt should be given to the presenter of the vehicle". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpsmith79 Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 A bit more for thought. The presence and operation of these headlamp cleaning and levelling devices has been added to the test. Therefore, if a mandatory headlamp levelling or cleaning device is missing, inoperative or otherwise obviously defective, the vehicle will fail. This raises the question of whether these checks apply to vehicles fitted with after-market HID lighting kits., in order to pass the MOT test, vehicles fitted with The testing directive says the devices have to be fitted and working, and the inspection manual states how to test if they are fitted. The testing directive (which determines the pass/fail elements of the MOT) is what will be followed. In regard to the new headlight regulations "headlight washers must be present and working when tested on any HID or LED headlight which produces over 2000 lumens". Also "most of these systems generally require a self levelling device". Some self levellers will (when the headlights are first illuminated) move up and down to set themselves in the correct position, others will not. The only way to test the systems which don't move upon initial illumination, to see if they are working, would be to jack up the front or back of the car, disturbing the balance of the car, cause the activation of the self levellers. As this is not practical, and therefore not testable, it has been decreed that "if the tester is not sure if the system is not working the benefit of the doubt should be given to the presenter of the vehicle". Hallelujah, finally Looks like UK Gen 5's & 6's might get away with HID's though as they both have headlight washers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razorjack Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 Hmm, wording of the manual that I've seen regarding HID (section 1.7 Headlamps) states: Vehicles equipped with High Intensity Discharge (HID) or LED dipped beam headlamps may be fitted with headlamp washers and a suspension or headlamp self levelling system.Where such systems are fitted, they must work; however, it is accepted that it may not be possible to readily determine the functioning of self levelling systems. In such cases, the benefit of the doubt must be given. which says you 'may' have washers and levellers and if there, they must work. Doesn't say you must have them. And in the method of testing: Where HID or LED dipped beam headlamps are fitted, switch on the headlamps and check the operation of any headlamp levelling and cleaning devices fitted. ^ which to me reads as 'if they're fitted, test them' not 'test IF they're fitted'. The only related reason for rejection is this one: 2.A headlamp levelling or cleaning device inoperative or otherwise obviously defective. Again, doesn't say it requires it just that if its there and not working, it causes a fail. Its a bit like the windscreen thing - if its damaged, then fail; but if its been removed or there is no screen then its not a fail. Also as a comparison, the exhaust section has been amended to explicitly state a catalytic converter is required if the car originally had one ("A catalytic converter missing where one was fitted as standard"). http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_170.htm is the source for headlight gubbins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peppyuk Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 Whats funny is how many crashes are a result of a failed car, and how many are the result of a failed driver? How often are the drivers tested? Food for thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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