alwayzsidewayz Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 Unless this guy I had a run with this morning had an issue with his car, I was suprised and even shocked to see that it just is not that fast. I know all the motoring press is going gaga re its rwd handling etc but to be honest I really though it would be faster. Both of us one up, clear empty dual carriage way with multiple round abouts, I was driving along after collect some bits from my Autospares place, he comes up behind me, then pulls alongside and gives it the big un. I go after him, catch him at the first roundabout and then am all over him coming off the roundabouts. Maybe I will run out re top end compared to him, but from 30 - to the legal limit(ish I was quicker? Now my GT is not in the best of health, its running rich and all it has is a induction kit, which tbh prob robs some power, so it aint fast at all. Not driven one, so will test drive one, but honestly thought that they were faster. Most modern TDIs can blow me into the weeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherv Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 Dunno what the power to weight differences are but with less than 200 bhp hes not going to obliterate you that's for sure.plus you may be a better driver than him too lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwayzsidewayz Posted April 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 I would want more go for my 24k, I tell ya! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT Bob Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 0-60 they are slower than the Gen7 190,i think they come in at 7.7 compared to the 190 which is 7.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 tsport is faster than gt aswell 1.8 VVTLi T Sport 3d 7.0 secs 140 mph 189 bhp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Askari Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 I suspect that the differences in times from 0 to 60 or 10 or 20 bhp either way are as nothing compared to the quality of the machine's operator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T Sport Screemer Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 the gt86 is more about driving fun than straight out right speed although 7.6 to 60 is still no slouch obvioustly the engine is not as exiting as the gen 7 t sport :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redtoycelica Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 But theres not alot of difference between a 190 an a gen 6 gt in the real world maybe on a track where the 190 can stay in its lift state easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony188 Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 But theres not alot of difference between a 190 an a gen 6 gt in the real world maybe on a track where the 190 can stay in its lift state easier. on the road a gen6gt (if engine is good) can keep up with a gen7gt or 190t-sport. as gen6gt does not have to wait for lift to kick in. at a meet we did a convoy and i was right there with a 190t-sport and a 190gt but at 95-100 mph my bottle went and slowed down as my mate in car said to, as not get any points or lose my licence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adex Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 I suspect that the differences in times from 0 to 60 or 10 or 20 bhp either way are as nothing compared to the quality of the machine's operator. +1 Not only that, but there's always going to be the 'I don't want to wreck my brand new car' thought in the back of the other guy's head. It's also far easier & safer to wring the neck of a FWD car & get close to it's limits for the average driver. In the hands of an experienced driver a RWD car that they weren't afraid to crash might well have impressed you more. Lols at everyone who's test driven one then jumped on the 'not powerful enough' bandwagon. Like anyone got anywhere close to experiencing what a GT86 can really do on a test drive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwayzsidewayz Posted April 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Do not disagree with above, however I do wonder, why for a sports car, they made it so tepid. I am sure on the right roads etc it will be amazing. But in everyday life, motorways town etc, that lack of comparative grunt must be annoying. Esp considering what you could get on the used market. There are amazing light small turbo engines being developed at the mo, with good mpg and emissions, cannot help but think that would have been a better choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianGT Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 The concept of the GT86 is that it's the beginning of Toyota's move towards bringing out more performance related cars......the current Chairman realises that they make boring cars these days. He is a petrol head and he races over in Japan. The "sporty" Celica is no more and so the GT86 came along to be developed as it evolved and although it's tune is in a relatively mild state it has a chassis and suspension that can handle much more power and that is already in the pipeline. Releasing it with serious power would have really put the price up at launch ....as it is they have brought out a car that every reviewer has raved about, except for those that test it for 30 mins in town and say that it's not quick enough because they exploited the handling to the full around Sainsbury's roundabout...... If you see one around the Dales driven by an elderly man with a woolly hat give it a wide berth......unless you can really drive!! Give it a chance....it's early days yet but I wager that in a couple of years time serious amounts of Gen 7's will be dumped in favour of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwayzsidewayz Posted April 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 We will see, If I had 24k for a sports car, It would go elsewhere. A good Caymen S for example. I applaud the concept, but IMO a cars charactor and appeal has a lot to do with its engine. esp a "fun car" and from reading up from the press, EVO magazine for example bemoan the engines lack of power. Still, kudos to the old gen 6, its just as fast as the modern sporty Toyota!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianGT Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 The thing for me is that the majority of us are laughing at the "sporty looking" GT86 and saying it doesn't go very fast in the same way that Golf TDi owners are laughing at the Celica......they don't go very fast. I think that a couple of years down the line it will replace a lot of Celica's if you are a Toyota fan simply because the Celica is no more and will be too old for most people to buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnyboy1976 Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Like you i too would buy a used cayman S - the 86 is nice dont get me wrong but the porsche - imo anyway - is a special car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJay Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 The gt86 is not about going fast. It's about going round corners sideways as its been designed to do this at lower speeds and with easy control. It's more a drift car than sports car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnyboy1976 Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 (edited) I know its not - its been designed as a " affordable " fun car. As usual Toyotas pricing is way off the mark - but for me id spend my money on a porsche cayman. If this was 3 / 4 years down the line when values plummet like almost all toyota residuals then id not be averse to spending reasonable money on one but no way would i fork out on a new one Edited April 3, 2013 by johnyboy1976 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwayzsidewayz Posted April 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Well at least we are talking about a new sporty ish toyota! Something a few years ago we could not do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJay Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Why do you think they have the pricing wrong. The cost of new cars these days means even remotely sporty cars are the wrong side of £20k The gen7 tsport was £23k 12years ago and that was about average in comparison to its peers However Toyota has always been more expensive than fraud or vauxfail but even these charge silly (lots) money these days for mundane cars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnyboy1976 Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Because as you say they always overprice cars - st205 was £30K when impreza was £20k and Escort cossie £25K The celica cabriolet was £30K - same price as top spec BMW 328 soft tops. The gen 7 GT was way overpriced compared to the mazda RX8 230 and Nissan 350Z When i was at Toyota we hardly ever drew in new customers but people who would upgrade from a older car. Once your in a Toyota you do appreciate how good they are but if they are too expensive in 1st place your not going to sell it They sell things far too expensive and whilst they might sell a few they will never be a huge sales success - imo its best to price things at a more affordable level and make less profit on each car but more in the long run as you will shift more numbers. But that just me and im not in charge of Toyota UK's pricing policy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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