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Monkey Boy 1

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  1. Health & safety do not come into it, With 40+ year old vehicles, the owner probably knows more about the vehicle than the MOT tester does. Plus with the new MOT tests, about 80% of it is irrelevant to a 'Classic vehicle'.

     

    There is nothing stopping you from getting any vehicle MOT'd no matter what the age, but it is probably more advisable to get the vehicle 'checked over' by a specialist or someone with an interest in Classic vehicles rather than some testing station linked to a main dealership that know nothing about cars over 10 years old.

     

     

    Anyway Chris, your info is slightly wrong, this was Taken from the Direct Gov web site:-

     

    Vehicles that do not need an MOT

    You do not need to get an MOT if:

    • the vehicle was built or first registered more than 40 years ago
    • no ‘substantial changes’ have been made to the vehicle in the last 30 years, for example replacing the chassis, body, axles or engine to change the way the vehicle works

    If you’re not sure if there have been any substantial changes you can:

  2. When I removed my number plate surround to gain access to the number plate lights (the screws for the lights were rusted up) it was remove rear lights, this gains access to two screws at the lower corners of the N/plate surround, Remove these then gently pull the surround away from the body, The surround is only held in place by some plastic press studs which sit in rubber grommits. On the Wifes ST, I had to remove the number plate as well as she screws went through the surround and into the back plate

  3. Reading through the "The Road Vehicle (Construction & use) regulations 1986"  there is a basic rule that Any forward facing seat which can seat an adult on a vehicle which was manufactured on or after 1st April 1981 must have a seat belt, either a 3 point belt, or a lap belt, 

     

    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1986/1078/regulation/47/made

     

     

    If the seats are removed to turn it basically into a 'van' then you are safe to remove the seatbelts. BUT, check your V5 document. On newer vehicles it may state the number of seats. if it says 5, or in a Celica case, 4, then you would have to inform DVLA that you are modifying your vehicle to remove the seats.

     

     

     

     

  4. Here we go again, Noisy exhaust brigade come out to spoil our fun. As many members know I went through this with Plod a few years ago.

     

    To be fair though, an MOT tester can fail a vehicle with what he thinks is a noisy exhaust. BUT it is just the 'perception of noise' that is very open to debate. An MOT testing station is not allowed check the dB reading of an exhaust and fail it. 

    The construction & use regulations state that a vehicle must not be over 82dB, BUT and this is where they are in the dark, the dB reading of 82dB is tested on a certified tarmac roadway at a 30mph drive by test.

    Static tests are used in exhaust vehicle testing, in accordance with ISO5130, (as used by the police) but there is no results as a pass or fail with that ISO standard, it is just a procedure for checking / standardising noise testing (The test is done at 3750rpm)

    If you import a vehicle or build a kit car and go for an SVA test, then the limit is 99dB set at 3/4 revs (Between 0 & red line)  This is similar to the tests they do at race tracks for noise. Each track has a different limit, but the test procedure is the same.

     

    Going back to the MOT tester, I would take the car to another MOT station as the one who failed it for  'Exhaust noise in clearly in excess of that emitted by a similar vehicle fitted with a silencer in average condition'  clearly does not like loud cars.

     If another MOT station comments on the exhaust, you can say to them you have a bung in it, supplied by the manufacturer to quieten it down.

     

    Also as far as the law goes, 'A replacement exhaust must not emit a noise louder than that fitted to the car originally' so any aftermarket exhaust , even a pattern replacement, could be deemed illegal..

     

     

  5. Had a call from an old school friend of mine the other day. His father had recently passed away so he & his brother were tasked in sorting out his late fathers estate.

    Anyway, My friends late father had 3 cars, A 2005 Rav4 and two Gen6 Celicas, A 1996 UK spec GT and a 1997 ST. Both the Celicas ate totally standard, In fact I don't think I have ever seen a 100% standard Gen 6 before.

    Considering that he only lived about 3 miles from me, I had never seen these Celicas in the area

    Both have full Toyota service history, The ST has 95K on the clock and the GT has 115K, there is no rot on either car that I could see, apart from the tail pipe on the ST.

    Both cars have the usual electric aerial issue of not either fully retracting or fully extending and both could do with new batteries as they needed to be jump started.

    Anyway, the reason for my friends call is to find out what they are worth. and to see them go to a good home.

    So, What is the going rate for a 1996 Standard GT with 115K? and the same for an ST with 95K on the clock ?

    I have had a look on Autotrader but there are some very optimistic prices on there.

    Any help much appreciated

  6. Bought my Tropicana GT back in Aug 09. Done 64K miles in is since then and has not missed a beat. Brakes,suspension & exhaust have all been replaced/rebuilt/upgraded. Have loved every minute of ownership and still brings many smiles per mile.
    Currently on 123K
    one other thing too is the love from CCUK members. I have made many many friends through the club and car ownership. Some have moved on from Celica ownership but still remain friends.

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  7. I am sure it is just a styling fad, (though I will probably be proved wrong).

    If silicone hoses were that good why don't Manufacturers use them as an OEM product ? Probably cost of materials and manufacturing prohibit this.

    There are pro's & cons for both products.

    Pro: , Easier to fit & remove, Aesthetically more pleasing to look at, Less susceptible to heat ageing compared to organic rubbers

    Con : More expensive to produce, May require different hose clamps, Poorer sealing ability than rubber.

    Just because a hose looks good may not mean that it is suitable for the job in hand.

  8. If the wheel is done up correctly there is no way the disc can move. (unless the wheel centre hole is too small to clear the hub centre) The Disc is clamped in place by the wheel. If when the OEM wheel was fitted there was no clonking, but when the aftermarkets were fitted the clonking came back I would look at the wheels

    Check the centre hole for any damage or witness marks.

    Are you sure it is not any of the bushes or suspension causing the noise ?

    (I will have to recheck the video's you've posted I can't access them on the work's PC)

  9. Totally stupid question here, but if you had the noise with aftermarket wheels on and did all these changes and the noise was still there. Then you changed to an OEM spare wheel and the noise stopped. Have you checked that there was nothing touching the wheel like a brake line or cable ?

    Did you try putting the aftermarket wheel back on and see if the noise returned ?

  10. How comes you can't modify to a 'louder than original exhaust' but some cars come standard with one...

    That doesn't make sense. If a car has a standard exhaust then it is a standard exhaust.

    An OEM exhaust system must be passed by legislation. If a vehicle does not pass any of the many and various legislative tests that are placed on the motor industry then the vehicle is not permitted to be sold.

    Smaller manufacturers have a greater leeway with legislation than larger manufacturers. Small being less than 1000 units sold per year.

  11. Did someone mention Noisy exhausts? :D

    To cut a very long story short :

    Plod do sound test using ISO 5130. Static noise test BUT and this is the thing, there is no results limit for that ISO test.

    Construction & use regs state 82dB, But again, that test is done by a Drive by test. On an approved tarmac track at 30mph with the use of doplar radar & various microphones set at designated positions on track

    SVA cars, (ie. imports) can have an exhaust noise limit of 99dB. but this has to be documented on the original import papers That is a static test as done by ISO5130 and by many race tracks o make sure your track day car doesn't break their noise limits.

    MOT testers use discretion. If the tester likes loud cars then you are fine, If he doesn't then he can refuse to test the vehicle.

    The problem I had with Norfolk Plod is that they tested at the wrong engine speed. They said 3/4 throttle from Red line, NOT the 3750rpm as quoted in ISO5130

    As has been said in posts above. If your exhaust has been modified to make a louder sound than an original system then it would be deemed illegal. (New cars have the dB limit on their V5 document)

    if sports Car manufacturers went by the letter of the Plod made up law, none would be legally allowed on the road.

    In a recent static test we did at work we had a Ferrari at 109db (standard factory exhaust) Exige at 99dB, Aston at 101dB, Porsche at 96dB. All sounding absolutely beautiful.

    Made my 94.1dB sound like a mouse.

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